Now, another who is here tonight, and she said, “In the dream I saw two people, one I recognized but she was so pale and so thin that I was startled when I saw her. They said to me, ‘How far is it?’ I said, as far as I’m concerned for me it is only thirty minutes away, and then I woke.” Thirty minutes away, so she has conceived of the Holy Spirit. That interval is always thirty. But it’s thirty years; it’s not minutes, it’s not miles, it’s not hours, it’s years. Again, to her, what does it matter?447 ¶15