The day is going to come and you will know our moral values are not God’s moral values. These are all church-imposed. Has nothing to do with religion as it’s taught in the Bible. Every crime possible for man to experience is expressed in the Bible openly. It’s all there. You don’t have to do it, it’s entirely up to you. But you’re learning a principle, and you may learn it through something like this, and he learned it, and I know from my own experience with him — I have said many a time, speaking of a mutual friend, “he needs some help, Joseph, and at the moment I can’t give it to him, would you give him some money?” Joseph always gave it to him, never charged him one nickel interest. If he wanted to pay it back, perfectly all right, but he couldn’t pay it back with interest — it was always an interest-free loan, if you looked upon it as a loan. I have said it time and time to Joseph, so-and-so needs help, I think a thousand dollars will be in order at the moment, Joseph always gave the thousand dollars. And many a time they paid it back, and some tried to pay it back with six percent interest — he always sent the six percent back. He said, I am not a banker, I am a friend. He never told me to give it to you, and I gave it because he told me to give it to you, but I am not here to bank.1134 ¶21