You will, my dear. [...] But in this world here, he remains in this world of Woodland—though he is potentially infinite—until he is grafted by the gift of God who has life in himself. And when he’s grafted it grows and then automatically he leaves the world of Woodland. For now he actually becomes one of the operators of life, for now he has life in himself. As we are told, “As the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself” . So, he’s bringing out himself. But you and I would be no earthly good to an infinite being if we were automatons, if we had to be good, or had to be this, or had to believe him. I can say in words “I believe it” as they made Galileo confess that the earth was the center of the universe. He said it was not, it was simply a planet revolving around the sun, that’s what he said. The priesthoods of the day made him get down on his knees and confess that he was wrong and they were right; but he knew in his heart that he was right and they were wrong. But to save the body…and I wouldn’t blame him…I’d have done the same thing myself. I would know I’m right, and then rightness eventually will reveal itself. So to save being strung up or burned at the stake I would say to the holy people and all-wise people and all-loving people, “You are holy people and you’re right.” I would have said anything, but I would know in my heart I’m right, if I had the experience I have had, the experience of the birth of Christ. If tonight they tortured me to make me confess that that was hallucination, the chances are I would say, “You’re right, completely right.” But in the depth of my soul I would say, “You’re completely ignorant and you don’t know what you’re talking about, in spite of all your robes. And so, you will make this, that and the other.” Alright, but I would say in the depths of my soul, “I’m right and you’re wrong”; but under my lips to save myself from torture I would say, “You’re right and I’m wrong.” So I tell you I know that the birth of Christ is a fact. The resurrection is a fact. The discovery of the Son of God who reveals you as God the Father is a fact. The dove is a fact. All of these are facts; these I know from my own personal experience. But if called upon to deny them under torture, well, I don’t think I would go through any torture. [...] if you like. That would not rub out the experience. I can’t rub out the experience. I wouldn’t suffer from amnesia because of it. I would simply say, “Alright, you’re right” and have them have the satisfaction of once more being the blind leaders of the blind. Well, that’s scripture…they’re all blind leaders of the blind. There are those who tell people who used to come here all the time not to go hear Neville any more, and so, they tell me they write me, “I can’t come.” I say, “What? Are you paralyzed? You can’t come, you’re paralyzed. Do you want me to pray for your paralysis?” “No, I’ve been told by this group or that group or the other individual that they mustn’t come here.” Perfectly alright…it didn’t take. I’ve been trying for years to graft the story of the gospel upon the trees who come here. I can’t say that I’ve succeeded a thousand percent, because the letters and the conversations and things prove I have not grafted the story upon these trees of good and evil. But, those upon whom I have grafted it, it will grow. In spite of all things, it will grow. And when it grows in you, and you stand before what formerly you thought to be a great teacher because he is head of a large organization, and you have been born from above and the symbol of the child is there to prove it, and he doesn’t even know it, and certainly does not believe it’s possible for the individual—he thought it happened once and forever 2,000 years ago—not a thing he can say to you to restrain you from not coming. But until it happens, he can frighten you into believing that I am…this is the devil’s pulpit. [...] But I tell you everything I’ve told you is true. It is all true from my own personal experience.280 ¶45